One of my very favorite reads so far in 2016 was Brady Carlson's Dead Presidents: An American Adventure into the Strange Deaths and Surprising Afterlives of Our Nation's Leaders, released by W. W. Norton & Company on February 1. It has all of my favorite elements: engaging narrative style, oodles of presidential trivia, and a touch of lighthearted humor. Plus, a passing mention of ShowBiz Pizza Place which I have literally not thought of for 30 years; those animatronic animals singing golden oldies--anyone else remember that?
Sorry about the digression, but it just goes to show you, you never know what you'll find in a book about history. I think that's what makes history so engaging and so worth both holding onto and sharing with others. I think Brady feels the same way, and his enthusiasm for his subject is infectious.
Recently I interviewed Brady about his book, presidential history, and what's next for him. I think you'll enjoy his insights.
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We have to start
off with a generic question that I’d ask pretty much everyone I meet if I
could: What do you like to read about? What are your favorite books?
What
a great question! These days most of what I read is for kids, as I have three—I
just finished reading Gary Paulsen’s Hatchet to my five year old, and
the younger two are enjoying pretty much every picture book we put in front of
them. For myself I read about history, of course, or music—I just finished
Carrie Brownstein’s memoir, Hunger Makes Me A Modern Girl. I also really
like cookbooks—Jacques Pepin’s Heart & Soul in the Kitchen is really
fun.
I
really want to read the new one from Annette Gordon Reed, Most Blessed of
the Patriarchs, about Thomas Jefferson. Which is probably a surprise to no
one at all!
Specifically, what
are some of your favorite books about presidents or American history?
I
have sentimental favorites that hooked me as a kid on the stories of
presidents, both dead and alive. I read and re-read a book called Mr.
President by George Sullivan, which was a fun and informative guide to the
whole set (it’s still updated and printed today), and a book called The Day
Lincoln Was Shot by Jim Bishop introduced me to the weird world behind the
assassination. I read it until it fell apart.
There
are lots of great books about presidents for readers of all ages—Robert Remini’s
biography of Andrew Jackson is fantastic, and Candice Millard’s Destiny of
the Republic has rightly won praise from all corners for reintroducing us
to James A. Garfield.
Tell us a little
about what inspired you to write Dead Presidents and about the
research, writing, and publishing of the book.
I’ve
always found the presidents interesting and had long hoped to visit all their
graves just for fun. In 2012, while I was covering the presidential primary for
my day job, I decided to get serious about the idea and started planning out
how I might do the trips, how much it would cost, and those kinds of things.
The more I looked at the sites and the stories behind them, I realized there
was a bigger theme, about how and why we build these sites and monuments in the
ways we do.
At
first I figured I would just write about the trips for my website, but by
chance I ended up hearing from a literary agent, who connected me with W.W.
Norton, and what was a vague idea four years ago is a book today!
What fascinates
you about presidential history?
I
think what caught my interest as a kid was how important they were—after all,
it’s The Most Important Job In The World—but today I think I’m fascinated by
the unique place they hold in culture. Yes, presidents are powerful, but we
also expect them to go on late night talk shows and tell jokes, or host
concerts at the White House, or console families after tragedies. We pore over the
trivia of their lives and careers, and put them on bobbleheads and t-shirts...and in a time where we don’t have a lot of things in common as a society, we
all have that same list of presidents.
Which president or
president’s history do you find most interesting?
This
may sound weird but I get interested in different presidents at different
times. While I was writing the book I got really interested in William Howard
Taft—who’s always chalked up to being “the fat president” but is really a
fascinating guy—and Andrew Johnson, who is tucked away in eastern Tennessee, a
beautiful area, and is a difficult but interesting figure. These days I’m
trying to learn more about John Quincy Adams, who gets his start in life in the
midst of the American Revolution and dies while fighting slavery, not too long
before the Civil War. What a story.
My
favorite stories are usually about how the lesser-remembered presidents often
end up with the largest tombs, and that as time goes by those spots pick up new
functions beyond honoring the presidents. William McKinley’s tomb in Canton,
Ohio, for example, is at the top of a hill, so the steps leading up to the tomb
are used by joggers and walkers. He’s contributing to public health more than a
century after his death!
What was your
favorite presidential gravesite visited?
My
personal favorite is Calvin Coolidge’s in Vermont—it’s a rural cemetery in the
midst of these gorgeous New England mountains, just a beautiful spot. And the
nearby state historic site has a working cheese shop founded in part by
Coolidge’s dad. Great cheese, great views.
And now for some
questions about history in general. We talk a lot about a president’s “legacy.”
What do you think makes a successful president and determines a strong legacy?
A
combination of genuine success, good timing, good luck and/or good marketing.
The journalist/politician Clare Boothe Luce once noted, correctly, that over
time Americans boil down each president into one sentence. Some presidents’
sentences are simply that they were president—they’re barely remembered at all.
Others are remembered for a piece of trivia or a milestone—that they died in an
unusual way, or were the first or last president to do or not do something. A
lucky few are remembered for what they did or what they changed. Some work very
hard to make sure they’re seen well by history; others seem to care very little
about their place in history books. In short, it varies, but there’s always a
process at work to create those sentences by which we remember them. And that’s
one of my favorite questions to ask: how did each president end up being
remembered in his particular way?
How do we get
young people interested in history?
We’ve
seen just in the last few years how even the dead presidents have come up in
national politics, like when President Obama announced Mount McKinley would
finally be renamed Denali. If we can teach kids to ask that next question—why
was a mountain in Alaska ever named for McKinley? who never set foot there?—maybe
you start to uncover an interesting and revealing story.
I’m
convinced anyone who’s interested in people will be interested in history,
because that’s really what history is about—us.
What’s next? Have
you given any more thought to my unsubtle suggestion of a follow-up book? You
know, a Dead First Ladies?
The
top two suggestions I’ve had for a next book have been dead vice presidents and
dead first ladies! It looks like Kate Andersen Brower, who wrote The
Residence, may have beaten me to the punch on first ladies. But I have a
few ideas that are just as vague now as the one that turned into this book was
four years ago. Who knows where one of them might lead?
Thanks, Brady, for the book and the interview. Also, for the reading recommendations! I hope you'll come back when your next book comes out.
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